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Posted by MassiveProng on 01/18/07 07:32
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:08:04 GMT, "Nomad" <user@#notme.com> Gave us:
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><asjbiotek@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1169051577.637943.191480@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
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>> RKRM wrote:
>>> > So, if toshiba runs out of money and gives up on HD-DVD what happens to
>>> > all the people who bought HD-DVD? ;-)
>>>
>>> Erm....Sony's running out of money - oopsie.
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>> Besides the fact that Sony still grosses several times larger than
>> Toshiba
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>> ...is Samsung running out of money? Is Disney? Is Panasonic? Is Apple?
>> Is PHilips? is Sharp?
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>> These and more are all big backers of Blu-ray.
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>> http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-14009/Index.html
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>> Toshiba is a really small company that is losing money on every HD-DVD
>> player it sells...so, you picture it...
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>> 1 company that is smaller than any of the others losing money on every
>> unit it sells, against a large comglomerate of companies, each of which
>> is larger than itself. Get the picture?
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>Toshiba is a $56 billion a year company which has been a global powerhouse
>going back as far as the 1960s. Philips, is a pretty strong company but it
>only does $38 billion a year by comparison:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
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>Panasonic is a brand name owned by Matsushita Electric and while Matsushita
>is considerably larger than Toshiba, Panasonic as a brand is nowhere near as
>large as Toshiba and only went global in 2003. To clarify, Matsushita owns
>a number of brands and has total world wide sales of those combined brands
>of $78 billion of which Panasonic is one contributing brand:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
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>Sony grosses about $10 billion a year more than Toshiba at around $66
>billion dollars a year:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
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>Sharp, at $24 billion a year doesn't gross half of Toshiba's annual sales:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
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>Samsung is huge. Samsung does slightly more business globally than
>Matsushita but it should be remembered, Blu-Ray is the very smallest part of
>their gross sales as is the case for HD-DVD for Toshiba:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
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>As far as I'm concerned, Apple and Disney don't figure in as they don't
>manufacture Blu-Ray players. Disney is supplying content and even though it
>is exclusive today, if HD-DVD takes off or simply moves step for step with
>Blu-Ray as sales grow, not Disney nor any other studio will remain exclusive
>for long as they won't want to lose those sales. But it is part of your
>supporting argument so, for the record:
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>Disney weighs in at just under $32 billion a year:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/1416.html
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>Apple's annual sales are just under $14 billion a year.
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/114.html
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>NEC, a company you haven't mentioned that is in the HD-DVD camp is a $42
>billion a year company. You can find out about NEC's products here but it
>is a huge supplier to the PC and consumer electronics industries:
>http://www.nec.com/global/prod/index.html
>
>Time Warner in the HD-DVD camp but like Disney, they are a content supplier
>but since you brought up such companies it figures in as well and has $43
>billion in annual revenue:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/1619.html
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>Viacom, which owns Paramount does just under $10 billion a year:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/1619.html
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>And a little company called General Electric which owns Universal and NBC
>among other things does just under $160 billion a year:
>http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/561.html
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>If you add it all up you have the following:
>HD-DVD companies just mentioned here, $311 billion in annual sales.
>Blu-Ray companies just mentioned here, $330 billion in annual sales.
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>All this means is that there are a lot of companies with huge annual sales
>backing both formats. But, your premise is wrong because your argument is
>based on the assumption that HD-DVD means as much to Toshiba, it's bottom
>line and annual sales and/or any of it's backers as Blu-Ray does to Sony and
>that is simply not true. HD-DVD contributes barely a ripple to Toshiba or
>any of the other HD-DVD backers bottom line...that's profit. Sony, on the
>other hand, has bet the farm on Blu-Ray. The Playstation which doesn't
>contribute much to Sony's annual sales, is responsible for over 60% of
>Sony's total profit.
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>Yes, Toshiba is losing money on every HD-DVD player it sells but they have
>more than enough financial muscle to handle that loss as HD-DVD players are
>a very small part of Toshiba's annual sales. If HD-DVD fails as a format,
>it will have little overall impact on Toshiba, its balance sheet or its
>bottom line. If Blu-Ray fails, it won't destroy the company but it will be
>devastating for Sony and because of how important Playstation is to Sony's
>profit, it's impact on them right now is far greater than the impact of
>HD-DVD losses to Toshiba.
>
>Nomad
>
Damn! I have to take back much of some of the things I have said
negatively about you in the past. :-] (I have to come up with a BIG
DICK smiley now). :-} \
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