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Posted by mtheory@superstrings.com on 02/15/07 03:19
"Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
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>"M-Theory" <mtheory@superstrings.com> wrote in message
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>> "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>"M-Theory" <m-theory@superstrings.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Why don't you "put up or shut up" as they say? Please provide proof of
>>>> your claim that AllofMP3 is run by "Russian criminals." I'd like to see
>>>> what you base your slanderous opinion on. The facts are:
>>>
>>> They're selling something that doesn't belong to them.
>>
>> Uhhhh... it doesn't belong to iTunes either, or Warehouse, Tower
>> Records, or any other outlet. That's what an outlet is, a means to sell
>> music for the copyright holder.
>
> LOL, the distinction that appears to escape you is that these other
>"outlets" operate with the permission of the copyright holders and pay for
>the privilege .
And AllofMP3 claims they are also operating under the law. As I said, I
leave it to the courts to decide as I am not an expert on Russian law.
> Allofmp3 doesn't get to decide how and what they pay copyright
>holders.
I don't know the details of their copyright mechanism, and I doubt you
do. I only know they claim they have one in place, and that they are
operating legally under Russian law. Once again, it is for the courts to
decide.
>> DRM will never fly. The sooner the greedy recording industry gets this
>> through their bean-counting heads, the better for them. In the meantime
>> the market will find its own sources for music. If pushed to P2P, that's
>> where people will go. So the industry can decide if they want fair
>> prices and no DRM, or high prices, DRM, and rampant P2P sharing ...or
>> sites like AllofMP3 that offer what the market wants and is willing to
>> pay.
>
> A side issue I have no interest in debating. However, DRM appears to be
>"flying" just fine. People are buying files with DRM protection.
According to reports, a small percentage of people compared to those
using P2P combined with those buying non-DRM music from places like
AllofMP3.
IOW, the majority of the market is not buying DRM-laden music.
>>>> 1. AllofMP3.com has been around for 6 years and has a loyal customer
>>>> base that is enormous by independent reports.
>>>
>>> LOL, the Mafia has been around for far more than 6 years and has a
>>>loyal customer base too.
>>
>> Oh please. You made an allegation that AllofMP3 is run by criminals. How
>> does the above statement prove this? You are the one with the burden of
>> proof, as you have made the allegation.
>
> LOL, "burden of proof"? This is neither a court of law or your high
>school debating team.
IOW, you have no proof. Only an opinion.
>[major snip of silly froth]
You mean my 8 years in the music industry paying royalties to artists?
>> Because the market won't pay one dollar for a song *file* that cost the
>> artist nothing, that's why. The RIAA wants online buyers to make up for
>> their lost sales [in the overhead cost of] CDs, promotion, and other
>> expenses that have nothing to do with files as a medium.
>
> And yet millions of people have in fact paid a dollar each for millions
>of downloads.
But the vast majority of the market has not, resulting in billions lost
to P2P sharing.
>> AllofMP3 is not going away, and you may be unaware but there are at
>> least 22 other Russian sites that sell music at ALLofMP3s prices, and
>> still accept VISA and MC.
>
> LOL, maybe you should check out your own source again:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3.com
Uh, I just said there were 22 other sites that are still using VISA and
MC, and you quoted this long snippet from Wiki about AllofMP3.
As for AllofMP3, the US is having the problem with orders. The site
still takes Ukash. Thusly:
>Other users say they are not experiencing such problems.
Now the following would be interesting if it had anything to do with
AllofMP3, but it does't!
> This recent court ruling in Russia is instructive:
>
>http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2007/02/15/042.html
>
>
>Thursday, February 15, 2007. Issue 3597. Page 5.
>Moscow Court Fines Web Sites for Piracy
>By Maria Danilova
>The Associated Press
>
>A Russian court has fined a company whose web sites let users download songs
>for 15 cents following a lawsuit brought by the Russian label of British
>record giant EMI, a court official said Wednesday.
>
>In what appeared to be the first major successful anti-piracy case in
>Russia, the Moscow Arbitration Court ruled last week in favor of Gala
>Records.
>
>The record firm sued web sites Delit.ru and Delit.net for illegally selling
>soundtracks and music albums online without the consent of copyright owners,
>court spokesman Yury Gladkov said.
[...]
There is nothing in this article to indicate that the targeted sites had
anything at all to do with AllofMP3. In fact, we can assume barring
information that says otherwise, that they do not.
It *is* interesting that if it is that easy to win a piracy case when
piracy is obviously being committed, that AllofMP3 is not such an open
and shut case. If anything this court ruling makes me suspect AllofMP3
does have a legitimate legal argument. Good enough to take to court
anyway. And again, the courts will decide if they turn out to be
"criminals" as you allege, or not.
My only point to you and the others calling AllofMP3 "Russian
criminals," is that you have zero credibility to make such claims, and
zero proof. Whether or not the courts end up providing such proof, if it
exists, remains to be seen.
For my part, I appreciate their service, prices and product. And I wish
the RIAA would follow suit in the US.
M-Theory
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