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Posted by Mike Kujbida on 02/17/07 00:51
Spex wrote:
> nappy wrote:
>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam@xplornet.com> wrote in message
>> news:1170956143.495007.198660@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 8, 11:37 am, Ura Dippschit <URN.Id...@idiots.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <530go9F1qd69...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> "Mike Kujbida" <kuj...@NoSpamxplornet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I said that 15 tracks of varying audio formats WAS a problem for
>>>>> FCP and that this is something Vegas handles with ease.
>>>> Except it isn't. That makes you full of shit.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you say so.
>>> Can you drop one each of DV-AVI, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, Quicktime, WMV and
>>> Real video clips as well as wave, wma, mp3 and mp4 audio clips on
>>> one timeline and play it back without doing anything to it?
>>>
>>> BTW, here's one response from a guy who's used FCP extensively.
>>> It's from Oct. 2006 so there is a chance that Apple has made some
>>> changes since then.
>>>
>>> Here is the quick list of things that Vegas can do that FCP cannot:
>>>
>>> - True format and resolution indepedance
>>> - Mix resolutions on the same timeline without rendering or losing
>>> real-time performance (FCP is a LOOOONG way from this)
>>> - Add, remove and adjust effects During real-time playback
>>> - Surround sound mixing
>>> - Unlimted Parent-Child track control
>>> - Video effects at event, track and output level
>>> - Video and audio bus tracks for project level automation
>>> - Bus level automated motion blur and super-sampling
>>> - One-click audio normalising
>>> - Real, smaple accurate, audio multitracking tools (audio in FCP is
>>> a cruel joke)
>>> - 3D track motion and animation
>>> - Unlimited point bezier masks
>>> - Velocity frame rate control envelopes
>>> - Open scripting in Visual basic or Java script
>>> - Multiple copies of Vegas open at the same time (have one rendering
>>> while you edit in another at the same time..!)
>>> - Punch in, punch out audio recording
>>> - Streaming media meta-data commands from the timeline
>>> - On the fly marker inserts during playback
>>> - Monitor wet/record dry audio recording (hear the input with
>>> effects but record without effects)
>>> - Simultaneous multi-channel audio recording with real-time effects
>>> monitoring
>>> - Parent-Track compositing modes
>>> - RED Book CD mastering form the timeline
>>> - Audio Pitch and Tempo correction on the timeline
>>> - Control surface suppourt for any MIDI device
>>> - MIDI Timecode synchronisation
>>> - Built in Metronome and flexible ruler format including all
>>> timecodes as well as Measures (bars and beats)
>>> - Bump, Displacement and Height mapping track options
>>> - Unlimited 'undo'
>>> - Import from any source format including DVD camcorders and direct
>>> export for mobile devices; psp, ipod.
>>> - Built in CD ripper/extractor
>>> - Synch audio tracks with online CD database for metadata retrival
>>> - Built in suppourt for dolby AC-3 format
>>> - One click red-eye removal
>>> - Bus to Bus audio mixing
>>> - Abilty to import, read and edit already authored DVDs
>>> - Real-time one-click video event Reverse
>>> - Envelope animation control of transitions
>>> - Free-hand Paint-on envelopes (audio, pan, velocity, motion blur
>>> etc)
>>> - Split screen preview for pre and post effect...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How quickly they become quiet when you present them with facts. I
>> have never had so many problems with audio in a video nle as I had
>> with FCP. That point is lost on people who have never used any other
>> NLE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Good to see you round there parts again.
>
> There are quite a number of good points Mike makes above but do keep
> in mind that the likes of PremPro, Vegas et al have had at least a
> full release if not a point release as well since the last FCP
> update. FCP is looking a little tired in some areas. I am sure it
> is only a matter of weeks before the release of FCP 6. I can't
> believe it won't address many if not all of the criticisms directed
> at it.
Spex, most of these features have been in Vegas since version 4.0 (2004) so
you can't say FCP hasn't had the opportunity to catch up :-)
> I have tried to like Vegas because its feature set and stability are
> superb and it is extremely cost effective....but...I simply cannot get
> past the Fischer-Price toy interface. Why Sony piss fart about with a
> video editing interface slapped on an audio editor is beyond me.
It's definitely someting you have to get used to. My previous NLE was a
dpsVelocity and the ONLY thing I miss about it is the real time playback. I
find I can cut much quicker in Vegas than I ever could in Velocity. The
audio capabilities alone make it worth twice the price.
> Since you we last round these parts we've added a Mac Pro to our
> office running bootcamp and parallels and as soon as the dual quad
> core Mac Pro is available we'll have one of those for a render farm.
> We are keeping much more work internal and we haven't broken the bank
> to do it. Thank fuck I gave Avid the heave.
I'm getting ready to buy a new computer and am seriously considering a Mac
Pro Quad Xeon, especially since Bill Gates brought out Vista. What a POS!!
The more I read about it, the more I'm leaning towards a Mac.
As you said, with Bootcamp, I can still run all my PC apps plus get started
learning FCP.
Sleep is such an over rated commodity anyway :-)
BTW, a friend of mine who owns a local post house is almost done his switch
from Media Composer to FCP HD and isn't missing it one bit. Plus he's
saving a PILE of money not having to pay Avid insane $$$ for "support".
Mike
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