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Posted by Spex on 02/17/07 03:44
Mike Kujbida wrote:
> Spex wrote:
>> nappy wrote:
>>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam@xplornet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1170956143.495007.198660@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Feb 8, 11:37 am, Ura Dippschit <URN.Id...@idiots.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <530go9F1qd69...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "Mike Kujbida" <kuj...@NoSpamxplornet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I said that 15 tracks of varying audio formats WAS a problem for
>>>>>> FCP and that this is something Vegas handles with ease.
>>>>> Except it isn't. That makes you full of shit.
>>>>
>>>> If you say so.
>>>> Can you drop one each of DV-AVI, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, Quicktime, WMV and
>>>> Real video clips as well as wave, wma, mp3 and mp4 audio clips on
>>>> one timeline and play it back without doing anything to it?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, here's one response from a guy who's used FCP extensively.
>>>> It's from Oct. 2006 so there is a chance that Apple has made some
>>>> changes since then.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the quick list of things that Vegas can do that FCP cannot:
>>>>
>>>> - True format and resolution indepedance
>>>> - Mix resolutions on the same timeline without rendering or losing
>>>> real-time performance (FCP is a LOOOONG way from this)
>>>> - Add, remove and adjust effects During real-time playback
>>>> - Surround sound mixing
>>>> - Unlimted Parent-Child track control
>>>> - Video effects at event, track and output level
>>>> - Video and audio bus tracks for project level automation
>>>> - Bus level automated motion blur and super-sampling
>>>> - One-click audio normalising
>>>> - Real, smaple accurate, audio multitracking tools (audio in FCP is
>>>> a cruel joke)
>>>> - 3D track motion and animation
>>>> - Unlimited point bezier masks
>>>> - Velocity frame rate control envelopes
>>>> - Open scripting in Visual basic or Java script
>>>> - Multiple copies of Vegas open at the same time (have one rendering
>>>> while you edit in another at the same time..!)
>>>> - Punch in, punch out audio recording
>>>> - Streaming media meta-data commands from the timeline
>>>> - On the fly marker inserts during playback
>>>> - Monitor wet/record dry audio recording (hear the input with
>>>> effects but record without effects)
>>>> - Simultaneous multi-channel audio recording with real-time effects
>>>> monitoring
>>>> - Parent-Track compositing modes
>>>> - RED Book CD mastering form the timeline
>>>> - Audio Pitch and Tempo correction on the timeline
>>>> - Control surface suppourt for any MIDI device
>>>> - MIDI Timecode synchronisation
>>>> - Built in Metronome and flexible ruler format including all
>>>> timecodes as well as Measures (bars and beats)
>>>> - Bump, Displacement and Height mapping track options
>>>> - Unlimited 'undo'
>>>> - Import from any source format including DVD camcorders and direct
>>>> export for mobile devices; psp, ipod.
>>>> - Built in CD ripper/extractor
>>>> - Synch audio tracks with online CD database for metadata retrival
>>>> - Built in suppourt for dolby AC-3 format
>>>> - One click red-eye removal
>>>> - Bus to Bus audio mixing
>>>> - Abilty to import, read and edit already authored DVDs
>>>> - Real-time one-click video event Reverse
>>>> - Envelope animation control of transitions
>>>> - Free-hand Paint-on envelopes (audio, pan, velocity, motion blur
>>>> etc)
>>>> - Split screen preview for pre and post effect...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How quickly they become quiet when you present them with facts. I
>>> have never had so many problems with audio in a video nle as I had
>>> with FCP. That point is lost on people who have never used any other
>>> NLE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Good to see you round there parts again.
>>
>> There are quite a number of good points Mike makes above but do keep
>> in mind that the likes of PremPro, Vegas et al have had at least a
>> full release if not a point release as well since the last FCP
>> update. FCP is looking a little tired in some areas. I am sure it
>> is only a matter of weeks before the release of FCP 6. I can't
>> believe it won't address many if not all of the criticisms directed
>> at it.
>
>
> Spex, most of these features have been in Vegas since version 4.0 (2004) so
> you can't say FCP hasn't had the opportunity to catch up :-)
>
Good point well made! :)
>
>> I have tried to like Vegas because its feature set and stability are
>> superb and it is extremely cost effective....but...I simply cannot get
>> past the Fischer-Price toy interface. Why Sony piss fart about with a
>> video editing interface slapped on an audio editor is beyond me.
>
>
> It's definitely someting you have to get used to. My previous NLE was a
> dpsVelocity and the ONLY thing I miss about it is the real time playback. I
> find I can cut much quicker in Vegas than I ever could in Velocity. The
> audio capabilities alone make it worth twice the price.
>
I have Acid pro on one of the PCs here so I am fully signed up to its
ability as an audio editor.
>
>> Since you we last round these parts we've added a Mac Pro to our
>> office running bootcamp and parallels and as soon as the dual quad
>> core Mac Pro is available we'll have one of those for a render farm.
>> We are keeping much more work internal and we haven't broken the bank
>> to do it. Thank fuck I gave Avid the heave.
>
>
> I'm getting ready to buy a new computer and am seriously considering a Mac
> Pro Quad Xeon, especially since Bill Gates brought out Vista. What a POS!!
> The more I read about it, the more I'm leaning towards a Mac.
> As you said, with Bootcamp, I can still run all my PC apps plus get started
> learning FCP.
> Sleep is such an over rated commodity anyway :-)
Try not to think of a Mac as anything other than a PC that also runs OS
X. I use the best of both worlds on the one computer. On the Mac Pro I
use bootcamp for Lightwave, AE and Photoshop. If there is an
application that runs better under Windows I'll use bootcamp. Why limit
yourself to outdated thinking by choosing one or the other, have both! :)
The Mac vs PC arguments are completely redundant and there isn't even an
issue about price anymore. I must say I am very happy being hated by
Mac haters and Mac fanboys at the same time!
If it helps, render when you sleep! :)
I haven't used Vista but a software developer friend who I respect
totally says the interface is a gimmick but it is more secure than XP
but in an annoying way! I have no plans to purchase Vista as XP does
everything I need and our PCs only connect to the web for updates.
>
> BTW, a friend of mine who owns a local post house is almost done his switch
> from Media Composer to FCP HD and isn't missing it one bit. Plus he's
> saving a PILE of money not having to pay Avid insane $$$ for "support".
>
I am hearing this story more and more. I have colleagues who have
switched to other apps not just FCP but PremPro etc from Avid suites. A
move just a few years ago would have been unthinkable. Since the
playing field has been leveled by affordable hardware the software has
to compete on its own and Avid doesn't stack up against the competition
anymore.
Cheers
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