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Posted by Smarty on 02/19/07 06:36
Mike,
The reality of the situation is that "bouncing back and forth between the PC
and the Mac" will require a reboot for each bounce, and this will take the
result from the Mac to the PC, or from the PC to the Mac via the hard drives
which are supported in both environments via Bootcamp. The notion of using
one machine to bounce back and forth without rebooting is what appealed so
much to me until I subsequently learned (after spending a lot of time and
money) that there is no way to enjoy a useful simultaneous mixed environment
with the MacPro.
When it is booted into the Mac Tiger environment, it is a very competent Mac
machine, and when it is booted into the PC environment it runs well as a PC.
Just do not expect to do both simultaneously, despite the apparent claim /
appeal of Parallels, which supposedly allows a mixed simultaneous
environment, but in video editing does not, since it is a slow, virtual
environment which utterly lacks the ability to share hard disks as I
recently stated. Its' only hard disk is a synthetic volume which is
generated by the virtual Parallels environment and mimics a real hard disk,
but with huge penalties in size, speed, and format.
I eventually found that running 2 networked machines, a MacPro and a PC
using the nicely implemented Mac SMB SAMBA networking achieved the true
ability to "bounce back and forth" and is very fast and very productive.
My original cautionary comment was sent with this very same detail, and in a
spirit of trying to inform and warn you and other readers of this
limitation, which is not very obvious at first. Certainly I was fooled, and
apparently you were apparently as well. I hope this sheds some light on the
topic, and am sorry that the original message was erroneously challenged and
confused with an unwarranted attack.
Smarty
"Mike Kujbida" <kujfam@xplornet.com> wrote in message
news:1171853662.378502.311140@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> OK guys, this is getting very confusing. I was under the assumption
> that
> Bootcamp (not Parallels) would allow me to do anything I wanted. From
> what
> you're saying, it doesn't sound like it.
>
> My plan was to get a Mac with 3 (internal) drives.
> #1 (system drive) to be partitioned with Mac OS and XP Pro. The
> system
> would
> come with FC Express HD. I'd be installing Vegas 7, Photoshop 7 and
> CorelDraw 11 on the PC side of it, hopefully by using Bootcamp.
> #2 (video drive) would be formatted for Mac use.
> #3 (video drive) would be formatted NTFS for PC use.
> I've got NTFS-formatted externals already (both USB and Firewire
> 400) that I'd like to continue using.
> My hope in doing it this way is so that I could bounce files back and
> forth
> from the PC sideo to the Mac side and vice-versa.
>
> Is this going to work like I had hoped or am I dreaming?
> If I'm dreaming, then I'l l go with plan B (quad core PC).
> Prices are comparable either way I go but I had kinda hoped to start
> getting
> into the Mac side of things.
>
> Mike
> p.s. irrelevant material snipped below
>
>
> Smarty wrote:
>> Spex,
>>
>> My original and correct point was (and is) the Parallels cannot see
>> or use the 4 500GB drives in my MacPro and instead only makes use of
>> a small, slow virtual disk unsuited for video. For some reason I have
>> yet to understand, you took exception to this original statement.
>> Your exception was clearly erroneous, your claim that my argument was
>> invalid was erroneous, and your follow up reply then began NAME
>> CALLING.
>>
>> My post was intended to point out to those like Mike who have yet to
>> take the $4000 MacPro Quad Xeon plunge like you and I did that all is
>> not so smooth and seamless as it is claimed to be when running video
>> apps across Bootcamp and Parallels.
>>
>> These technical limitations are ***OF COURSE*** very obvious to me
>> and to you as well, but it certainly is not at all obvious to people
>> like Mike who don't own and don't use these products but are
>> considering purchasing them. Whether it takes a genius to figure it
>> out or not is irrelevant. This is all about experience and has little
>> or nothing to do with genius. It is intended merely as helpful
>> information, no more, no less.
>>
>> Not only does Parallels ***not*** provide any support whatsoever for
>> other internal drives, it also does ***NOT*** allow access to
>> external Firewire drives. Moreover, the Parallels support for USB
>> connected drives to the Mac is very flakey based on a lot of trials I
>> have done here, with Mac drives mounting mostly reliably (when
>> MacDrive 6.5.1. is installed) and PC-formatted drives creating all
>> sorts of problems with Parallels. For example, the drive mount and
>> dismount / eject synchronization between the Tiger OS and the virtual
>> Parallels / Windows XP OS has made several of my drives corrupted and
>> unreadable.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Spex" <No.spam@ta.com> wrote in message
>> news:45d8e4e9$0$8739$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> Smarty wrote:
>>>> joke for video work.....FAT32, 4GB max, etc.
>>>>> We use MacDrive in Bootcamp and Parallels which makes your argument
>>>>> invalid. For $50 it is a no brainer.
>>>>>
>>>> I also use MacDrive in Bootcamp. You misinterpreted what I said.
>>>> MacDrive offers ***NOTHING*** to solve the problem I cited, namely,
>>>> that Parallels cannot see any of the attached real hard drives, but
>>>> only sees its' own virtual drive, which is tiny, slow, and FAT32.
>>>> Maybe it's your argument that is invalid. ;-)
>>>>> http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive6/bootcamp.asp
>>>
>>> Parallels only blocks access to internal drives.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Parallels is fine for office apps and testing cross platform web
>>>>> applications. Parallels limitations are known and graphics/video
>>>>> support is one of them and Parallels make no bones about that.
>>>>> What is really required is GPUs with virtualisation technology too.
>>>>>
>>>> Exactly, and is ***NOT*** suited for doing video work, my original
>>>> point.
>
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