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Posted by Talker on 05/31/07 00:49
On Wed, 30 May 2007 02:40:38 -0400, Noik wrote:
>On Mon, 28 May 2007 12:50:52 -0500, Allen <allen@nothere.net> wrote:
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>>Oh, well, I guess I should throw away all the CDs I've put labels on for
>>the past six plus years, even if every one of them still plays without
>>any problem. However, I have ruined _unlabeled_ CD-Rs by accidentally
>>scratching the surface that would have been protected by a label. C'est
>>la vie.
>
> It has been widely reported that labels can ruin burned CDs, and I
>can add personal experience making those reports even wider. 3+ years
>ago my brother used labels on some burned CD Audio disks. They all
>shit the bed recently. Well, some were worse than others, and some
>hadn't showed symptoms yet, but the error rates were through the roof,
>it was just a matter of time. I know that his burner/media combination
>yielded excellent burn quality, and I know that unlabeled disks
>exposed to the exact same conditions are still in excellent shape.
>There's absolutely *no* doubt in my mind that the labels killed those
>disks.
> It's said that something in the adhesive eats through the protective
>layer and attacks the underlying data structure. But I'd think that
>things would stabilize after a year or two. These disks were well
>used, I was thinking maybe the forces on the label from the high
>rotation speeds might cause purely mechanical degradation. Especially
>since my brother kinda thought that maybe the most used disks showed
>the most problems. Then again, I've read accounts of little used disks
>that were labeled going bad, while disks stored uoder the exact same
>conditions were fine. I think the bit about the adhesive rotting
>things must be what is really going on; some label adhesives will rot
>your disks, others won't. I've never heard about any standard for a
>safe adhesive, so I think putting on labels is a total crapshoot.
> Labels shouldn't be a problem for DVDs unless the sucker comes off
>and causes damage to drive, etc. The data is in the middle of a DVD,
>so if a label gets grungy/whatever it should be possible to find a
>solvent that will safely remove the label and clean things up.
Same experience here Noik. Years ago when I got my first CD
burner, I used several different brands of labels. I also used (and
still have) the CD Label Stomper, that accurately places the label on
the CD. After running through several packs of labels,(I guess maybe
100), I began having trouble with the labels bubbling up off of the
CDs, making them unplayable.
I thought that the labels might have been defective, so I threw
them out and bought some new ones (a different brand), and used them.
I even tried using a glue stick to apply extra glue to the CD before
applying the self sticking labels, but they still bubbled up after 6
months
I decided to stop using self sticking labels, because I never
knew if they would stay put after 6 months, especially since I would
give CDs to people as gifts.
At that time, DVD burners were being introduced, and in numerous
articles posted around the Net and in magazines, they strongly advised
against using stick on labels on DVDs, because as another poster
mentioned, they made them unreadable do to unbalancing them.
That was some years ago, and I don't know what the consensus is
today, but I would still think that applies. While you may get away
with using them on DVDs today, I'd rather not take a chance and have
those DVDs become coasters somewhere down the road.
Talker
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