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Posted by Lloyd Parsons on 07/03/07 14:34
In article <1183466636.403445.326670@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
ninphan <sjburke73@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 11:48 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <1183304173.569457.125...@k29g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
> >
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> > ninphan <sjburk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 29, 5:17 pm, Derek Janssen <eja...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >
> > > > >>Uh-hahhh, yes, but read the small print carefully:
> > > > >>Five free Blu disks *if* you buy a hardware Blu player through Sept.
> > > > >>30,
> > > > >>2007...
> > > > >>And WHAT happens to hardware Blu players on Oct. 1, kiddies? 9_9
> >
> > > > > You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
> >
> > > > > On 10/31/2007 a new requirement will be in place. After that the new
> > > > > players will have to be able to do some things, like PIP, that they
> > > > > don't do now.
> >
> > > > > BUT, the old players will still be able to play the movies, even the
> > > > > ones with the new added 'features'.
> >
> > > > Yeah, just that it'll still be that much more of a diceroll (NPI)
> > > > whether your machine will be able to play Pirates 2 after the Firmware
> > > > patch, just as it's that much of a $699 gamble now--
> >
> > > > Sounds like they know WE know we're sitting on our hands waiting for
> > > > the
> > > > Standards requirement, and that that's why the existing patch-needed
> > > > players haven't been moving off the shelves as of late.
> > > > Fortunately, there *aren't* five Blu disks on the list yet that I'd own
> > > > as keepers, so they'll need a better incentive than that to bribe me
> > > > away from doing my tech-spec homework beforehand.
> >
> > > > > So unless you just dig those PIPed
> > > > > running commentaries from the director about what he had for lunch
> > > > > and
> > > > > such, it just doesn't matter... ;-)
> >
> > > > Need I remind you, as Digital Bits points out, that Warner has stated
> > > > there is currently ONE reason why the now dual-format studio hasn't
> > > > remastered many of its early PiP and extras-loaded HD's such as "Batman
> > > > Begins" for Blu-Ray yet.
> >
> > > > And if the specific technical excuses for *not* being able to PiP what
> > > > Christopher Nolan had for lunch is what is singlehandedly keeping
> > > > "Begins" off of a respectable Blu player and keeping the HD war going,
> > > > I
> > > > SAY WE -FIX- 'EM, F***IN' PRONTO!!!!! @_@
> >
> > > > Derek Janssen (sometimes, it all comes down to simple reasons)
> > > > eja...@comcast.net
> >
> > > Batman Begins is being released this year with or without PIP.
> > > You can bank on that.
> > > Matrix will not be released until the PiP is ready to go, it's far
> > > more important to them than Batman Begins' IME is.
> > > Troy Director's Cut will be released in September with TrueHD and PCM.
> >
> > > Warner know where the money is, they're holding off as long as they
> > > can, but they know Blu-ray is the better format.
> >
> > > This war won't last much longer, the Blu-ray Disc sales throughout Q3
> > > and Q4 this year will absolutely embarrass the HD DVD format.
> >
> > I wish I felt as confident as you do, but I don't. Here's some of the
> > reasons:
> >
> > 1. Audio - what a mess BD is in here. Fox does DTS-MA, yet not a
> > single player will handle it now, and none (except maybe PS3) has the
> > horsepower to make it just a firmware upgrade away.
> >
> > TrueHD, yep Sony is going in this direction, as are others. Yet most BD
> > players don't do this one either. And the models/brands that don't have
> > it do not have announced firmware upgrades coming to address this issue.
> >
> > 7.1 LPCM - would seem to be the smart move as all players do this. But
> > the software guys cry about the wasting of the space. Yet others brag
> > about all that extra space BD has over HDDVD
> >
> > 2. The new spec - While I firmly believe the BD camp won't screw this
> > up by making movies that just won't play on the older stuff, it sure
> > isn't a sure bet. Hell, Sony even has a disclaimer in the OM for the
> > S300 about it.
> >
> > For those and other reasons, this format war just isn't anywhere over
> > yet, Blockbuster announcement notwithstanding.
> >
> > I'm still tossing about sending my Sony BDP-S300 back to Sony and
> > waiting for this mess to get worked out. I still have a few days to
> > make that decision.
> >
> > That is irritating as I like BD, but the facts are HDDVD is more stable
> > at this point in time.- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> Audio-wise Blu-ray is in a mess? They have four times more lossless
> titles than HD DVD.
> I'll enjoy Sony's non-dialogue normalized TrueHD and PCM tracks,
> Disney's 24-bit PCM tracks, Lions Gate's 7.1 PCM tracks, Warner's PCM
> tracks, Paramount's upcoming PCM tracks and Fox's 1.5 Mbps DTS core
> before I get stuck buying into a format that so far only has about 35
> titles available with lossless TrueHD on them and otherwise losssy
> Dolby Digital Plus.
>
> Once the PS3 has DTS-MA decoding then I'll be enjoying that too.
> According to DTS that should be within the next 6 months.
>
You're planning on buying a new player, huh? Because most people are
not as sure as you are that DTS-MA will be there that soon, and the
concensus is that most of the current BD players don't have enough hump
for DTS-MA.
> I have no idea why you still have your BDP-S300, I would have taken it
> back and bought a PS3 a long time ago if I were you. 24/176.4
> decimation for SACD? Sweet, most dedicated SACD players in NA don't
> have that much fidelity when converting to PCM, which all analog
> players have to do. Ethernet port for 2.0 profile, 2 @ 40 Mbps AVC
> decoding capabilities for 1.1 profile? Hello, easy decision.
>
I seriously looked at the PS3, but it doesn't fit in the schema of my AV
rack. It runs cooler and quieter on its side and that just doesn't get
it.
The S300 is doing a good job of what it does and I suspect that Sony
will have a firmware update to add THD and DTS-HD support soon.
As to the enet capability, yep I would like it, but I would use it just
like I do my HDA2. Connect when I need and update, otherwise it isn't
connected.
> And you're wrong when you say that most players don't do TrueHD. Both
> Elite players do it, both Panasonic players do it, the Samsung BD-
> P1200 does it natively and there's firmware coming out for the 1st gen
> model. The PS3 also does it.
>
> All studios using TrueHD also are putting a PCM track too. The only
> exception was one Warner title, Iwo Jima, but 300 will have TrueHD and
> PCM, Batman Begins will have TrueHD and PCM and Troy Director's Cut
> will have PCM and TrueHD. I don't see much of a problem there when
> only one movie so far has been released with only a TrueHD track.
> Hardly a mess.
>
> None of the HD DVD players can play the DTS-MA tracks on all the
> Studio Canal releases.
I hope they keep putting the LPCM tracks on, IMO makes the THD issue
moot. I really wish they would use 7.1 LPCM though.
As to DTS-MA, nothing does it, not BD not HDDVD. So what is your point?
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