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Posted by Lloyd Parsons on 08/20/07 22:59
In article <5JCdnaN-38d2hFfbnZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Derek Janssen <ejanss@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> >>>What this really means is that the 'format war' for the 2% market share
> >>>that these two formats have will be in full swing for the holidays.
> >>>Personally I hope it keeps going. This war is the only thing that got
> >>>prices down to their current levels.
> >>
> >>Only the utterly dopiest media-analyst zombie would be gullible enough
> >>to believe press statements of "We chose the format", or be blinded by
> >>title-association to print "Will Transformers and Shrek win the war?"
> >>spins as if they believed them themselves.
>
> (And whether or not anybody's read recent headlines of Dreamworks'
> crumbling brain-trust and defecting execs--thus making them very, VERY
> easy for outside forces to bribe, not unlike the 1919 White Sox...
> Is anybody missing the rather obvious factor of Jeffrey Katzenberg and
> his Big Green Pal willing to let DW Animation partner themselves with
> Micro so easily, what with Disney now pulling ahead of Sony as main
> driving Blu-Ray Evangelism Spokes-studio?
>
> I repeat: This guy is the ultimate *onion* of Weaselry--Every time you
> think you've found the final layer...) >_<
>
> > Sure it was a bribe, but so what? Sony and the BDA have been playing
> > that particular game for quite awhile now.
>
> Thing is, even though Disney wasn't one of Sony's "bribed" Blu studios
> (being in Apple's pocket), they were actually accomplishing some helpful
> PR breakout by rubbing Cars and Pirates in our faces, and Sony--and Blu
> supporters--were getting some actual technical return on their "investment".
>
> Micro wants Big Studios that they can show off, but don't expand their
> buyer base to any influential degree or deliver on the name-bling they
> bought.
> They want headlines, and they get headlines; what they don't get is
> reliable customer interest.
That is the same for both sides of this idiotic 'war'! Everyone was
screaming 'it is the content', but now that the content is or will be
nearly the same, they want to downplay that a bit.
>
> > Here's part of a post I made at avsforum that pretty much sums up what I
> > think about the future of hi def dvds :
> >
> >>If either side 'wins' today, we as consumers lose. Prices stay up, quality
> >>of
> >>releases won't be as good as they could be, and availability of titles
> >>could
> >>be in jeapordy because the price of the players is still too darn high to
> >>get
> >>big sales.
> >>
> >>I'm firmly convinced that Hi Def DVDs are a niche market and will remain so
> >>for quite some time. So now is the time for a dual-format, affordable
> >>player
> >>to step up to the market. That would help grow the niche to a bigger niche
> >>and all the studios can just keep on 'supporting' whichever format blows
> >>their collective skirts up!
>
> Well, we've got 'em, *two* in fact (yes, LG's coming out with one that
> works, now), just that they've both priced themselves out of the
> "curiosity"/impulse newbie market by at least $600--
> As of now, HD is only selling with Cheapskates Who Don't Know Any Better
> or Saw It On the Shelves First (or with Smartypants Who Can Afford Both,
> who aren't particularly a loyalty base either), which is giving Toshiba
> false confidence they shouldn't have.
>
I thought I read that the Samsung dual-format was going to be around
$600 or so. Still out of the realm of mass acceptance, but certainly
better and cheaper than buying one of each today.
> Speaking as one who remembers seeing DVD explode in the two or three
> months after DiVX Armistice Day, I can vouch that it's nice to see
> prices come down, but that technical innovation only ramps into high
> gear when we all have *ONE* machine to fiddle around with in the labs.
> Doesn't get distracting or split up the workers.
>
At the moment, Blu Ray is more about controlling content than it is
about improving it. That's why there is so much screwy specs out there
with BD. Like players that say they decode some audio codecs that they
actually don't and such.
So I think we need HDDVD in there also to keep the mfgs on their toes
and maybe we as consumers won't get so screwed. Look at all the crap
with HDMI alone for examples. HDMI was more about control and security
and less about anything else, hence it works pretty flakey on all too
much equipment.
> > And I'm with you on the decision that needs to be made to really
> > consider hi def dvds an option for your home theater. I just went
> > through a major upgrade at home, here is what I ended up buying over a
> > very short period of time:
> <snip>
>
> The wave hasn't reached shore yet, but it's coming:
> As posted in another thread, I'd just made the leap myself to the "2%
> niche market" last weekend (so, guess it's "3%" now? ^_^ ), and on an
> impulse purchase at that.
>
> Even then, there were already "Feb. '09" ATSC scare signs up at Best Buy
> to sell their 60" flatscreens to an easily tech-panicked public--And for
> those already scared into widescreen 720i adoption, judging from my own
> household's reactions...oh, it's like the birth of DVD all over again:
> Thought I'd forgotten the joy of corrupting inexperienced
> tech-illiterate lambs who'd never seen this stuff before. >:)
>
> Derek Janssen
> ejanss@comcast.net
You sound a bit like me. I'm not a real early adopter usually, but now
and then something catches my eye and it is off to the store with the
plastic. HDDVD and later Blu Ray was like that. I'd been watching from
the sidelines for a bit and finally jumped in.
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