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Posted by PTravel on 11/04/07 23:00
"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "PTravel" <ptravel@travelersvideo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:4tydnalGVLW7vbPanZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
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>>> I should probably stay out of this thread, but here are
>>> two thoughts. First "VideoReDo TVSuite" should be a
>>> very helpful MPEG tool, no matter what editing or
>>> authoring programs you may use. (Although there may
>>> be some additional tweaking required of the new
>>> features, the old functions will continue to work well
>>> on HD material.)
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>> Helpful how? You're not suggesting that VideoReDo can do anything that
>> Premiere Pro can't, are you?
>>
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> In a word, Yes. Some of VideoReDo's processing
> of MPEG headers and timing, for sure! Not to mention
> that it can be much easier to reach for a simple handy
> tool, for a small job, than to drag out something overly
> complex.
I don't do simple small jobs, nor do I regard Premiere Pro as overly
complex. I have no idea what you're referring to when you mention
VideoReDo's processing of mpeg headers and timing, but Premiere Pro CS3
handles HDV perfectly.
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>>>
>>> Second; while the SSE4 may tip the balance in any
>>> case, I would like to see what AMD is able to do, to
>>> match or beat Intel's offering. Isn't competition great!
>>>
>>> As one who has been accused of drinking MPEG
>>> flavored "Kool-Aid", it's interesting to see how times
>>> have changed.
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>> The problem was never mpeg, per se, but comparing DVD-compliant mpeg to
>> DV-codec-encoded avi, as well as the availability of tools for working
>> with it. There are no consumer or prosumer alternatives to
>> temporally-encoded high-def video, so it's either mpeg2 for HDV or mpeg4
>> for AVCHD.
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> Well, this just points out the why I refrained from
> posting to this thread for so long.
And that was appreciated.
>
> Now that we have your version of "the problem"
> and your view of the comparison that was being
> made, (and my how that changed over time).
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> The discussions were about taking Analog VHS
> or SD TV video and creating DVDs. Your position
> was that by capturing to DV-AVI the video would
> be magically improved to the quality of your 3CCD
> Mini-DV camera's output. You also maintained
> that MPEG editing was restricted to GOP level
> cuts and that no transitions or titling were possible
> with MPEG, for years after that was no longer the
> case. You finally cut back on such claims only
> when Adobe added their plug-in, and then made
> the assertion that only very expensive MPEG
> editors could handle MPEG and that they struggled
> to do it.
I have no intention of having this discussion with you again, other than to
say that your characterization of my views is wrong.
>
> Another part of your argument seemed to be that
> hardware direct to MPEG encoding is so vastly
> inferior to a two pass encoding of DV-AVI that
> if your VHS or TV analog video is captured directly
> to MPEG it will suffer horrible degradation. This
> despite the existence and performance of TiVo,
> DVD Recorders, Satellite and Cable DVRs/PVRs,
> and the experience of the many with hardware MPEG
> PCI cards and UBS2 boxes. (Again, your belief in
> the magical improvement and necessity of the video
> spending some time as DV-AVI, before it is encoded
> to DVD Compliant MPEG.)
>
> Now I don;t expect you will find any noticeable
> degradation in the video being single pass hardware
> encoded to MPEG2 in your new camera, but from
> all you have posted in the past, YOU should be
> expecting it.
My HV20 shows distinct and noticeable motion artifacts that result from its
use of mpeg. These artifacts are not present in DV-codec-encoded material
nor, for that matter, are they as visible on the standard definition DVDs
that I produce use multi-pass software transcoders. HDV is, however, the
only game in for consumer and prosumer high-def (other than AVCHD, the
implementation of which is even worse).
>
> Google the following to refresh your memory:
>
> PTravel "Ken Maltby" MPEG
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> With the retention of these threads, we can see
> what Both of us said on these matters, that being
> the case, you might have thought twice before
> turning the discussion in this direction.
Yeah, whatever. What I said is what I said, which, for the most part, is
not what you attribute to me here. Refresher: I have always distinguished
between the requirements for making DVDs of television shows, and actual
video editing which is what most of us (perhaps even all of us except you)
do here on rec.video.production.
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>
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