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Posted by NRen2k5 on 06/12/06 11:00
RichardK wrote:
> NRen2k5 wrote:
>> RichardK wrote:
>>
>>> NRen2k5 wrote:
>>> =
>>>
>>>> Your idiocy is noted - you can't play Napster tracks on an iPod and
>>>> that was my point. I guess you completely missed the "refuted,
>>>> goodnight".
>>>
>>>
>>> The reason you can't play Napster is that they use a protection
>>> scheme that isn't supported by 70% of shipped personal digital music
>>> devices.
>>
>>
>> And there is no reason for that other than that Apple doesn't want
>> anything cutting into iTMS profits even one bit.
>
> Napster could run without protection.
>
>>> The reason that the 70% of devices are iPods is partly that Napster's
>>> terms are absolutely dreadful and restrictive compared to iTMS.
>>
>> No.
>
> Yes. First, they use WMA. That means that without flip4Mac installed, I
> can't play their stuff on my Mac.
Nobody uses Mac.
> iTunes is available for Windows and
> Mac. Secondly they only have 2 million songs; iTMS has over 3 million.
Which says absolutely nothing about them being "dreadful and
restrictive"; it only says that iTMS has more content.
> Napster supports 3 computers. iTMS supports 5, IIRC.
> Napster supports 5 burns of a playlist. iTMS supports 7.
Both of which are good as far as DRM goes.
> And the model where you actually own the songs, rather than subscribe,
> costs just the same.
The same.
> Subscription might let you download a lot of stuff, but once you've got
> all the music you want...
>
> "If you cancel your Membership, the music you downloaded from Napster
> will no longer be playable at the end of your current billing period.
> You can still use Napster Light to play and organise all of the music
> you own without a membership fee. Access Napster Light with the same
> user name and password. With Napster Light, you can also sample
> 30-second clips and buy tracks for 79p and albums from £7.95. If you
> decide to resume your Napster Membership, your Napster music library
> will be restored and your downloaded music will be playable again."
>
> You have to buy it all over again if you want to cancel your membership.
No. It works very well: The music which you really like, you buy. You
use the subscription service for flavour-of-the-week songs. It's a good
deal.
> Screw that.
Trust an Apple user to have the reasoning abilities of a child.
>>> It's Apple's technology.
>>
>>
>> Which part of it do you purport to belong to Apple?? The FairPlay DRM
>> which was made by Veridisc, or the AAC content which was made by MPEG?
>> Or maybe iTunes, which was made by Casady & Greene?
>
> None of that; the bringing together of ALL of that, plus the iPod ;)
Exactly - it isn't Apple's technology.
>>> No-one is forced to buy it. If their combination is better and more
>>> appealing than Microsoft and some other firm's creations, then well
>>> done Apple.
>>
>>
>> Once you buy an iPod, your only online music store is iTMS. This is,
>> what, the twentyfifth time I've had to repeat this?
>
> And the twentyfifth time you've been wrong, too.
Nope. I'm not even going to bother this time. Maybe later in the morning
when you decide to leave another steaming reply on my doortstep.
> http://www.emusic.com/ (with thanks to the guy that pointed me at that).
Find music that people actually want to buy there.
>>> (T'other day, I priced up a Creative HD based player; it's marginally
>>> more expensive on Amazon than the iPod. Also, the battery life for
>>> WMA is HALF that of MP3 - so people, WMA files are bad for the
>>> environment. Less battery life=more need to recharge, replace cells
>>> or whatever).
>>
>>
>> You only checked Amazon? You only compared one Creative player?
>>
>> Let me guess. It was the Zen Vision.
>
> No, I didn't only check Amazon. But have you actually looked at the
> prices of these devices lately? The Zen Touch 20Gb is £199. THe Toshiba
> thing is £269 for a 40Gb - Apple's device is £269 for 60Gb in most places.
Do you only look at the prices to tell me which ones come out more
expensive than the iPod in your little corner of the world?
- NRen2k5
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