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Posted by Bill on 08/16/06 18:03
Sorry David-- not sure what you are replying to here. My point is
generally a Goldwater Republican vs. Bush/Reagan Republican argument.
Goldwater would have been absolutely appalled at the governmend handouts
and tax concessions going out today. And I sometimes find that I'm not
all that anti-conservative when we're talking about real "hand-outs". I
believe real conservatives would also be freaked out by the
enfringements of civil liberties enacted by this government.
David, surely you don't believe the Republicans ever intended the
minimum wage bill to pass, and that it was not simple a despicable
political ploy (of which, I'll agree, the Democrats have pulled their
share)?
And actually, in a draft of my previous message, I noted that, in fact,
most uneducated, working class or poorer people are conservative, and
that there are fair number of wealthy liberals. I thought the rich,
effete, educated, eastern liberal was an ingrained cliche too, in
political discourse...?
But anyway, I know I'm beyond where I should have dropped the
discussion, so I will.... feel free to have the last post!
David McCall wrote:
> "Bill" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
> news:AZSdnS84qsbOyH7ZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@golden.net...
>
>>If only that were true! One of the favorites myths in America is that
>>conservatives prefer independent, pull yourself up by your bootstraps,
>>rugged individualism, while liberals prefer redistribution and equality.
>>The truth is, conservatives take their government hand-outs in the form of
>>military defense contracts, broadcast bandwidth, tax breaks (like the one
>>Exxon recently obtained for oil rights in the Gulf), deregulation (why the
>>hell should the gun industry be immune to liability lawsuits for defective
>>products, like every other company...)... or, in some cases, like the
>>Savings and Loan scandal, in direct cash hand-outs, thank you. Suddenly,
>>that $250 a month welfare mother sounds like a bargain, and at least she's
>>not socking her wealth away overseas.
>>
>
> I think you might find that it cost a lot of money to get elected no matter
> which side of the aisle you are on. This whole business of thinking that
> all Republicans are rich and have to take care of their contributors, while
> Democrats are just ordinary people that are the only ones that care about
> the "every-man" is total crap. You pretty much have to be wealthy with
> wealthy friends no matter which side of the aisle you sit on. As for taking
> care of your "friends", I'd think that applies to both sides of the aisle
> too.
> Would you take a gift from a friend and then kick him in the butt when the
> time comes that your friend could use some help? If you did kick him in
> the butt do you think he would give you more money the next time you need
> it?
> Get over it folks. They are all Demonicans. The only difference is in the
> rhetoric.
> Is it any accident that the minimum wage and the death tax reduction were
> on the same bill? Do you think it is any coincidence that the bill failed to
> pass?
>
> David
>
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