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Posted by MassiveProng on 01/18/07 05:02
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:58:51 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us:
>In alt.games.video.xbox Aaron J. Bossig <linkvb06@spammerswillbeexecuted.ptd.net> wrote:
>
>> Standard DVD is not going anywhere. DVD replaced VHS because it was
>> an all-around better package: better video, better audio, more durable,
>> more usable with computers (which were getting cheap by the late 90s),
>> and not really that much more expensive. BluRay and HD-DVD aren't able
>> to offer nearly such a compelling argument to upgrade. Sure, the
>> picture/sound quality is better, but your equipment needs to be up to
>> par to appreciate it.
>
>No argument here. If anything, BluRay and HD-DVD are like the new
>LaserDisk. Superior, but requires higher-end equipment to fully enjoy.
The format was called Laser Disc.
I have said all along that the new formats were for those of us that
are willing to pay for quality, just like in the days of Laser Disc.
>DVD was adopted quickly because everyone could see an improvement
>regardless of the TV they were using.
Nope. It actually had a slower start than they wished for. Once it
took off, however, it was far more than they had ever forecasted.
Main feature: convenience of size, and it outdid Laser Disc on
price and quality. My LD library is fucking heavy. 100 discs in a box
is not an easy tote. 100 DVDs in a box are no problem though.
>> Secondly, unlike Standard DVD which was better than VHS for ANY
>> material,
Was, is, and ever shall be.
> there are lots of movies and shows that don't benefit from HD
>> treatments.
Like? My FMJ is VERY grainy, but an order of magnitude better than
the DVD version. I use it as my worst case disc so far.
Why they cannot find a decent print to master from, I'll never know.
I am sort of pissed that they just dumped a redux of the DVD master on
us. That was my worst "fear" at the beginning... that they would not
actually make NEW HD masters at the telecine level.
I understand that most current telecine sessions are at that level
now, regardless of where the master ends up being fitted to, but I
want the best. That is what they would have you believe you are
getting, and that is what we who have been here making them millions
all along deserve. NOTHING but the best!
STILL have those goddamned paper liners though, and my
"Dazed and Confused" disc has a"Fast and Furious" inner sheet in it!
I wish these idiots that are so good at making sure the right disc
and outer liner get mated could do the same for the guts. That's what
lack of english literacy gets us.
Some of them do not even have inner sheets, the disease that crept
into Std DVD a while ago.
How fucking hard can it be to put a chapter, etc. sheet into the
damned thing? They should be making the outer from film too, not
paper.
Paper should have gone out with albums! I saw it coming though. Way
back with Laser Disc. They first emerged with full 3mil anti scratch
liners in them. They degraded soon to 0.5 mil CRAP liners that would
not even function correctly, THEN, they finally used album sleeves
with the liners glued inside! No more liners wiping sideways!
It can't be that damned much more to give us something that will
last! I think plastic film would actually be cheaper. Look at potato
chip bags.
Come on, studios! Listen up, and DO IT!
> Many independent films and older TV shows won't fare any
>> better in HD,
My Std DVD 1st season Mission Impossible is flawless (though
upconverted on my player).
> and I'll wager the effect of HD on animation probably
>> isn't that big of a deal.
I did not buy Axeon flux or whatever the hell it is called.
That type of animation no, but 3D computer animated stuff sure should.
>I think this remains to be seen.
I am sure we will.
> I can remember early DVDs of animated
>movies looking pretty horrible. However, the HD demo of Chicken Little
>was pretty impressive compared to the DVD.
I did not see that.
>Blu-Ray/HD-DVD's larger storage capacities could be used to store larger
>amounts of SDTV content - such as putting a whole TV show on a handful of
>HD discs vs. dozens of DVDs.
Yes... even if they leave it at normal resolutions (only actually).
I have several TV shows that are NOT "dozens of DVDs" however.
Greatest American Hero, Kung Fu, Lost, Etc.
> I doubt companies will do this, however.
>DVD will have a larger marketshare for a long, long time.
They'll dual release in a heartbeat. Pressing costs are not that big
a deal, and there would be no losses. They would eventually sell.
I suspect many studios soon will as well. Especially as BluTurd gets
a worse and worse following.
I think we ought to thumb our noses at Sony, just like they did
Toshiba, the better engineered product/schema.
>> Third, since the inception of DVD, it's become a lot more common to
>> make movies portable. Lots of people watch DVDs on their portable
>> players, laptop computers, PSPs, iPods, and in-dash DVD players. These
>> very popular devices don't yet support BR or HD-DVD, and when they
>> do, will the better resolution mean ANYTHING on such a tiny screen?
>
>There are laptops announced with HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drives (burners, even!)
>On a standard 15" laptop, it might be worth it. But the sub-10" portable
>players? Forget it. Even then, it may just be more convienent to rip
>your media to hard drive/flash card and take it with you that way. Memory
>prices are dropping while capacities are growing.
15 GB "Hand Drive" (not thumb sized) at Fry's: $79.00...
> Were I to get a PSP or
>other portable media player, I'd definitely rip movies and TV shows to my
>hard drive and convert them into a compressed format for better
>portability.
I out a bunch of trailers on mine to impress folks with too. Those
trailers are pretty danged good resolution for that array size.
>> Don't get me wrong, I want a HD format. I don't even really care if
>> it's BR or HD-DVD, I just want one. But let's keep this in context:
>> Standard DVD is cheaper,
My HD movies are $20. So were many or most of my DVDs
> more convenient,
Same form factor. How is it "more convenient"?
> and a more logical choice
>> for most material.
Most should be some.
> HD/BR are both luxury formats for people who want
>> them and have the equipment to make the most out of them. So to say
>> that either one will wipe Standard DVD off the market is just silly.
DVD will be around for a LONG time, however, pressing numbers WILL
decrease and other format pressing WILL increase in lock step.
>
>I'm in agreement here as well. I think it was stupid for the companies to
>go to market with 2 competing mediums and expect the market to choose
>one. The last time that happend, we ended up with two different burnable
>DVD formats: -R and +R. Neither really holds any advantage over the
>other, but they're incompatible with each other. Even when the combo
>drives came out, there was still a lot of problems with players handling
>one format, but not the other. Also, the complexity of making a combo
>drive meant that hardware prices were higher for awhile.
The higher price was artificial gouge type crap. The drives
themselves cost them no more to produce. They were just too stupid to
get the firmware right the first time.
>The same thing seems to be happening with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. LG has
>announced their hybrid player capable of playing HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, is
>due out in February and supposedly at a price of $1200.
Already out.
> While still
>expensive, it's cheaper than buying a separate HD-DVD player and Blu-Ray
>player - and you know that as other vendors bring their hybrid players to
>market, prices are going to drop rapidly.
>
>This still isn't an optimum solution for the consumer though, as dual
>formats cause confusion,
Only to the already confused.
ALL my HD broadcast reception has always been via simple pair of
rabbit ears. Digital is tha shit!
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