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Posted by Nomad on 01/18/07 07:08
<asjbiotek@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> RKRM wrote:
>> > So, if toshiba runs out of money and gives up on HD-DVD what happens to
>> > all the people who bought HD-DVD? ;-)
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>> Erm....Sony's running out of money - oopsie.
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> Besides the fact that Sony still grosses several times larger than
> Toshiba
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> ...is Samsung running out of money? Is Disney? Is Panasonic? Is Apple?
> Is PHilips? is Sharp?
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> These and more are all big backers of Blu-ray.
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> http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-14009/Index.html
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> Toshiba is a really small company that is losing money on every HD-DVD
> player it sells...so, you picture it...
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> 1 company that is smaller than any of the others losing money on every
> unit it sells, against a large comglomerate of companies, each of which
> is larger than itself. Get the picture?
Toshiba is a $56 billion a year company which has been a global powerhouse
going back as far as the 1960s. Philips, is a pretty strong company but it
only does $38 billion a year by comparison:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
Panasonic is a brand name owned by Matsushita Electric and while Matsushita
is considerably larger than Toshiba, Panasonic as a brand is nowhere near as
large as Toshiba and only went global in 2003. To clarify, Matsushita owns
a number of brands and has total world wide sales of those combined brands
of $78 billion of which Panasonic is one contributing brand:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
Sony grosses about $10 billion a year more than Toshiba at around $66
billion dollars a year:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
Sharp, at $24 billion a year doesn't gross half of Toshiba's annual sales:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
Samsung is huge. Samsung does slightly more business globally than
Matsushita but it should be remembered, Blu-Ray is the very smallest part of
their gross sales as is the case for HD-DVD for Toshiba:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/1441.html
As far as I'm concerned, Apple and Disney don't figure in as they don't
manufacture Blu-Ray players. Disney is supplying content and even though it
is exclusive today, if HD-DVD takes off or simply moves step for step with
Blu-Ray as sales grow, not Disney nor any other studio will remain exclusive
for long as they won't want to lose those sales. But it is part of your
supporting argument so, for the record:
Disney weighs in at just under $32 billion a year:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/1416.html
Apple's annual sales are just under $14 billion a year.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/114.html
NEC, a company you haven't mentioned that is in the HD-DVD camp is a $42
billion a year company. You can find out about NEC's products here but it
is a huge supplier to the PC and consumer electronics industries:
http://www.nec.com/global/prod/index.html
Time Warner in the HD-DVD camp but like Disney, they are a content supplier
but since you brought up such companies it figures in as well and has $43
billion in annual revenue:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/1619.html
Viacom, which owns Paramount does just under $10 billion a year:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/1619.html
And a little company called General Electric which owns Universal and NBC
among other things does just under $160 billion a year:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/snapshots/561.html
If you add it all up you have the following:
HD-DVD companies just mentioned here, $311 billion in annual sales.
Blu-Ray companies just mentioned here, $330 billion in annual sales.
All this means is that there are a lot of companies with huge annual sales
backing both formats. But, your premise is wrong because your argument is
based on the assumption that HD-DVD means as much to Toshiba, it's bottom
line and annual sales and/or any of it's backers as Blu-Ray does to Sony and
that is simply not true. HD-DVD contributes barely a ripple to Toshiba or
any of the other HD-DVD backers bottom line...that's profit. Sony, on the
other hand, has bet the farm on Blu-Ray. The Playstation which doesn't
contribute much to Sony's annual sales, is responsible for over 60% of
Sony's total profit.
Yes, Toshiba is losing money on every HD-DVD player it sells but they have
more than enough financial muscle to handle that loss as HD-DVD players are
a very small part of Toshiba's annual sales. If HD-DVD fails as a format,
it will have little overall impact on Toshiba, its balance sheet or its
bottom line. If Blu-Ray fails, it won't destroy the company but it will be
devastating for Sony and because of how important Playstation is to Sony's
profit, it's impact on them right now is far greater than the impact of
HD-DVD losses to Toshiba.
Nomad
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