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Posted by Lloyd Parsons on 07/03/07 16:09
In article <1183478252.112748.83900@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
ninphan <sjburke73@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Audio-wise Blu-ray is in a mess? They have four times more lossless
> > > titles than HD DVD.
> > > I'll enjoy Sony's non-dialogue normalized TrueHD and PCM tracks,
> > > Disney's 24-bit PCM tracks, Lions Gate's 7.1 PCM tracks, Warner's PCM
> > > tracks, Paramount's upcoming PCM tracks and Fox's 1.5 Mbps DTS core
> > > before I get stuck buying into a format that so far only has about 35
> > > titles available with lossless TrueHD on them and otherwise losssy
> > > Dolby Digital Plus.
> >
> > > Once the PS3 has DTS-MA decoding then I'll be enjoying that too.
> > > According to DTS that should be within the next 6 months.
> >
> > You're planning on buying a new player, huh? Because most people are
> > not as sure as you are that DTS-MA will be there that soon, and the
> > concensus is that most of the current BD players don't have enough hump
> > for DTS-MA.
> >
> > > I have no idea why you still have your BDP-S300, I would have taken it
> > > back and bought a PS3 a long time ago if I were you. 24/176.4
> > > decimation for SACD? Sweet, most dedicated SACD players in NA don't
> > > have that much fidelity when converting to PCM, which all analog
> > > players have to do. Ethernet port for 2.0 profile, 2 @ 40 Mbps AVC
> > > decoding capabilities for 1.1 profile? Hello, easy decision.
> >
> > I seriously looked at the PS3, but it doesn't fit in the schema of my AV
> > rack. It runs cooler and quieter on its side and that just doesn't get
> > it.
> >
> > The S300 is doing a good job of what it does and I suspect that Sony
> > will have a firmware update to add THD and DTS-HD support soon.
> >
> > As to the enet capability, yep I would like it, but I would use it just
> > like I do my HDA2. Connect when I need and update, otherwise it isn't
> > connected.
> >
> > > And you're wrong when you say that most players don't do TrueHD. Both
> > > Elite players do it, both Panasonic players do it, the Samsung BD-
> > > P1200 does it natively and there's firmware coming out for the 1st gen
> > > model. The PS3 also does it.
> >
> > > All studios using TrueHD also are putting a PCM track too. The only
> > > exception was one Warner title, Iwo Jima, but 300 will have TrueHD and
> > > PCM, Batman Begins will have TrueHD and PCM and Troy Director's Cut
> > > will have PCM and TrueHD. I don't see much of a problem there when
> > > only one movie so far has been released with only a TrueHD track.
> > > Hardly a mess.
> >
> > > None of the HD DVD players can play the DTS-MA tracks on all the
> > > Studio Canal releases.
> >
> > I hope they keep putting the LPCM tracks on, IMO makes the THD issue
> > moot. I really wish they would use 7.1 LPCM though.
> >
> > As to DTS-MA, nothing does it, not BD not HDDVD. So what is your point?
>
> That was my point. Nothing does it, yet you consider Blu-ray's audio
> to be in a mess? That's not logical. Blu-ray has far more consistent
> audio fidelity than HD DVD and the majority of the time the lossless
> tracks are PCM.
>
> I don't need them to go back and remaster releases into 7.1 if they're
> currently 5.1 or 6.1 and I don't care whether it's DTS-MA, TrueHD or
> PCM, as long as one form of lossless audio is used.
>
> I'm not sure why you stated "You're planning on buying a new player,
> huh?" because I have no intention of replacing the PS3 as my
> designated standalone Blu-ray player. It does my Blu-ray discs,
> SACD's, PS3 games, PS2/1 games, lets me download trailers and watch
> them in 1080p, has HDMI 1.3, plays DVD's and CD's. With 24/176.4
> decimation the PS3 is truly an audiophile level machine allowing the
> Cell processor to do the work. The only thing it's missing is DVD-
> Audio support, but my SACD collection is much bigger anyway.
>
> It's nothing to do with having a "hump" it's to do with the hardware.
> The PS3 has infinitely more processing power than is needed for DTS-
> Master Audio so I think I'm sitting pretty. I'm holding off on
> watching Fox's titles (only bought KOH so far) simply because I'd
> rather wait to enjoy them when I can listen to DTS-MA.
>
> I'm happier with compressed lossless because it means more breathing
> room for the PQ, but I do agree that if there's room for PCM, I'm
> certainly not going to snub my nose at it. I do see PCM disappearing
> 2-3 years into the format's life though and TrueHD and DTS-MA being
> the norm.
Yep, that PS3 is the only current model that has the possibility of
doing DTS-MA. What you and I don't know is if Sony will make it happen.
If Sony holds with their recent support of the PS3, you can reasonably
expect a firmware upgrade.
But Sony has a spotty rep in this arena, so nothing is certain.
Personally I would like to see Hi Def DVD settle down a bit. Put TrueHD
on all, if that's going the be the real future of audio on them, and
ensure that every player can decode it properly.
I'm not as convinced as you are that DTS-MA will be on there. There is
surely more guessing than facts concerning it.
Meanwhile, I'll enjoy any and all Hi Def dvds they bring out on one or
the other format as I have both covered.
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