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Posted by Lloyd Parsons on 07/24/07 13:22
In article <7iuaa3tsj7h3qgvl85dhfnshg3f8f5g80j@4ax.com>,
Spurious Response <SpuriousResponse@cleansignal.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:00:07 -0500, Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <a1eaa39t6dndohmkc77v4os301eccqfd4k@4ax.com>,
> > Spurious Response <SpuriousResponse@cleansignal.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:28:10 -0000, Doug Jacobs <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >At least they can be updated, but come on now...consumer electronics are
> >> >supposed to be appliances - not just another PC. You don't hear about
> >> >folks having to flash their oven's firmware so that it can cook the
> >> >latest
> >> >pot-roast recipes, do you?
> >>
> >>
> >> A LOT of modern devices get upgraded firmware.
> >>
> >> Cell Phones (user unaware even)
> >>
> >> My router/switch.
> >>
> >> My telescope.
> >>
> >> PSP (NOT a computer)
> >>
> >> iPOD (NOT a computer)
> >>
> >> My MP3, FLAC, OGG player.
> >>
> >> And yes, I could see where a MP controlled microwave could benefit from
> >> an upgrade to its stored duty cycle settings for certain dishes.
> >>
> >> I could see an LCD TV or other display device getting one. I could see
> >> many modern consumer products getting one.
> >>
> >> Hell, even PC drive bay style (5.25" half height form factor) CD wand
> >> DVD drives get them.
> >>
> >> Where have you been, boy? Sleeping in a cave? Head in the sand?
> >> Holier than thou?
> >>
> >> For a moment there in the last few years, I almost considered you
> >> technically inclined.
> >>
> >> Got forward vision? Methinks not.
> >
> >And just like other computers, upgrades are needed, as you noted.
> >
> >All the Blu Ray and HDDVD players are computers, special purpose, but
> >still computers. Hell, most of the newer Audio/Video Receivers are
> >computers too.
>
>
> No. They are micro-processor controlled appliances. Of which many
> already exist. Even though the PS3 IS a computer as it is a gaming
> platform and can actually run Linux, etc. The Toshiba HD DVD machines
> are not however, as their function is dedicated to that task, and oh
> yeah... why haven't we seen hacked units being used as computers yet in
> the Linux/PC tinker realm popping up?
>
> There is a difference between calling a device that HUMANS USE AS
> COMPUTERS a computer, and calling anything that has a freaking processor
> in it a computer.
>
> The second example is a fallacy. One should learn the difference, and
> no, the wiki definition and dictionary definitions do NOT negate the fact
> that "computer" really refers to a multi task capable tool that WE use to
> perform ordered tasks that we design and introduce into it, whereas an
> MPU equipped device is a tool that we use for a specific purpose that has
> a single task set hard wired into it.
>
> In other words, you PC IS a computer, but your "computer" controlled
> refrigerator is not.
Sorry, but a computer is a computer is a computer. Doesn't matter if it
is single or mult-purpose. Both my Toshiba and Sony hi def disk players
are computers running Linux.
As to why the hackers haven't tinkered with them, who knows? And really
who cares!
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